Orion Nebula: If heaven and god where there, wouldn’t that mean that god is a physical being? Perhaps I’m just not understanding you. But if I am understanding correctly, that would mean that god would not only have to have been created, but would be limited by the laws of physics. Unless you mean that god exists outside of the universe but co-exists in the physical universe in the Orion Nebula. But this would imply the existence of a 4th heaven outside of the physical universe where the non-physical god is. Also, I’m not sure if the SDAs believe in a soul, but if you do, and the soul goes to a heaven in the Orion Nebula, wouldn’t this mean that the soul is something physical as well?

It does not, because for it to make sense you must already believe that the Bible is telling the truth, which is an entirely unscientific premise.

If no other place qualifies, as you say, it will be very interesting to see what will be discovered in this nebula in the future.

Hmmmm — should I take the chance here and let you know exactly “where” God is right now?…

You probably won’t appreciate hearing this, but I’ll tell you anyway –

The Seventh-day Adventist Church was co-founded by a lady named Ellen White, and in the course of her life she had around 2,000 visions that verified the Bible, and one of the things was that she told us where heaven is located, and that is obviously where God also is — and she said that this is where the 2nd Coming will be coming from, and from a “scientific” point of view it makes perfect sense!

There are 3 heavens mentioned in the Bible — the 1st heaven is the atmosphere of our planet. The 2nd heaven is where the stars are located — and the 3rd heaven is where God is! (2Corinthians 12:2 talks about a man caught up to the 3rd heaven) –

Heaven is located in the Orion Nebula!

Take a good look at it — the Orion Nebula has a tremendous amount of bright light glowing out from it that is shining our from around the corner, as if we are being “shielded” from its direct exposure, and the Bible clearly tells us that “God is light” and the angels can glow brightly, and the 2nd Coming of Jesus all the wicked with be struck down by “the brightness of His coming”! And there is the Orion Nebula with all this extremely bright light shining out from it –

There is no other place that qualifies as being the location of where God is and the angels live and where heaven is!

Most Christians just think some nebulous “oh-He’s-just-out-there-somewhere” kind of location of God and heaven, but we have been told differently, we know where God really is — and even the scientific evidence indicates that it very well may be there!

And on the day of the 2nd Coming all mankind will merely take an “eye test” to see if we are right! We will see this small bright formation heading at the earth from the Orion Nebula, and then everyone will know . . .

Just out of curiosity, I thought that by “confounded” the Tower of Babel story meant that god made it so that everyone was speaking different languages. Not that I don’t agree with you that English and all languages are imperfect.

“Disassociated from any specific instance means GENERAL RULES WHICH APPLY TO ANY INSTANCE, NOT NO INSTANCE. That’s why the word SPECIFIC is there. Without the word specific you would be right.”

OK, but you have to admit that it is in a sentence where it’s deifinition can affect the term in MORE THAN JUST ONE WAY!

That is often the problem with the shortcomings of an imperfect language — we try to communicate as best we can, but sometimes the words just get in our way!

Oh, and by the way, the Bible says that God confounded the languages back there at the Tower of Babel, so even English is a “confounded” and imperfect language!

My counsel to you is to better communicate your pet terms, you should not assume that all the people here automatically understand you.

You’re gearing up to do some good work in 10 years — (“in 10 years I’m going to be designing technologies which further the human race, and you’ll be drawing cartoons”) — well, good! Being productive in your field is a good thing!

Of course, you’re assuming that the world is STILL HERE and the Lord hasn’t come to END IT ALL like He’s told us in the Bible that He plans to do, which may happen within the next 10 years!

My comics and cartoons will be helping people get to heaven and eternal life — your work sounds like you’ll just be helping people get down the block better — sorry, but between the life goals that affect the most people in a really important way, I think my work is the more important field.

We’ll test it — get back with me in 2016 (if the world’s still here), and we’ll compare life accomplishments!

And that is how simple it is to prove that God exists — the whole world around us is full of beautifully designed things, and those of us who are spiritually discerning can see as these things as being the handiwork of a Creator!

Pure and simple!

A god itself might not be possible to study, but the things affected by a god would be measurable by science since it would happen in the physical universe. And if there’s a physical action, there’s always the reaction. Hence, you’d be able to indirectly observe and measure every action of a god in the physical universe (if you’d find one). Then you could compare the results with the probablility of the same thing happening due to natural processes. If no difference is found, the god you’re studying might as well be probablility/chance playing tricks on you, or you’ve found a god which no longer interacts with its creation.

What do you think we should use to study a god?
Religion, which is by definition: “the service and worship of God or the supernatural” – Webster? Sounds biased to me, since it assumes the existance of what we’re trying to find.
The whole point of science is to be as objective as possible.

*JimSDA, I understood you the first time. I don’t know what was before space, neither do you. There might have been the “nothing” you described, or there might have been something else. All the energy in the current universe must have come from somewhere, I think we both agree on that. You believe a consious “something” created the universe out of void, which to me is pure nonsense. Science has so far told us that matter and energy can’t be created or destroyed just like that. We can make particles collide at enormous energy levels, closing in on those calculated for the time around the big bang, but nothing suggests that there’s some form of intelligence needed in making matter from energy or the other way around. You would ask me where that energy came from in the first place, just like I ask where your god came from. My reply will be the same as yours, since you seemed to think of it as valid: it is eternal.

I could point you to a couple of scientific articles/books which would try to explain different variations of the scientific view of the creation of the universe, if you’re interested in doing some reading before claming you have a “better” solution. Might also have a few on the subject “logic and reasoning”.

All you know about what happened in the beginning (estimated by me based on your previous statements) comes from a book which is no different from any other book. It has a historical value, as do all religious texts, but not of the magnitude its contents suggests.
Accepting something just because someone says it is that way, without them providing any verifiable background information, sounds stupid to me. Do you believe everything you read on the internet too?

My reason to not believe in a godlike power creating the universe is simple: It’s a long story told by a lot of people.

Hmm, long post, late hour… think I got it all in there but I’m not sure…